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10/21/2011 10:04 AM Senate RES


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                           KENAI, AK                                                                                          
                        October 21, 2011                                                                                        
                           10:04 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas Wagoner, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Joe Paskvan, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                           
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Presentation: Cook Inlet Producers                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JIM WATT                                                                                                                        
Alaska Buccaneer Energy Limited                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Reviewed Buccaneer's exploration activities                                                               
in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KEITH MEYER                                                                                                                     
LNG Alaska                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Outlined LNG Alaska's concept of LNG                                                                      
activities in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DAVID HALL, CEO                                                                                                                 
Cook Inlet Energy, LLC                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Reviewed Cook  Inlet Energy's  activities in                                                             
Cook  Inlet and  commented  on state  incentives for  development                                                               
there.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:04:13 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS WAGONER  called  the  Senate Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 10:04 a.m. Present at  the call to                                                               
order were Senators Wielechowski, Stedman and Wagoner.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^Cook Inlet Production Activities Update                                                                                        
            COOK INLET PRODUCTION ACTIVITIES UPDATE                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
10:05:23 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER   invited  Mr.  Watt  forward   to  update  the                                                               
committee on Buccaneer's activities in Cook Inlet.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JIM  WATT,  Alaska  Buccaneer   Energy  Limited,  said  Buccaneer                                                               
believes there is  hydrocarbon potential in the  Cook Inlet. That                                                               
potential plus  the attractive fiscal  terms and a  strong market                                                               
has  led Buccaneer  to commit  to a  multi-year drilling  program                                                               
that  includes the  acquisition of  a  jack-up rig  for the  Cook                                                               
Inlet to  help provide a  solution to supplying  Southcentral and                                                               
Fairbanks energy demands.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said Buccaneer is a  Australian public company and was founded                                                               
on   two  core   principles:  minimizing   risk  and   maximizing                                                               
opportunity. Elements of minimizing  risk include enlisting local                                                               
talent  and acquiring  majority positions  in their  projects and                                                               
managing them. Along with well  control, they are most interested                                                               
in reinterpreting existing seismic  and defining opportunities in                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:07:34 AM                                                                                                                   
To   maximize   opportunity   Buccaneer  is   fast-tracking   its                                                               
developments using  the special  incentives Alaska has  passed as                                                               
well  as   its  favorable   regulatory  environment   and  strong                                                               
commodity  market;  Alaska  is  also  energy  friendly  and  pro-                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WATT  said the  Cook Inlet  Basin is one  of the  last proven                                                               
underexplored   basins  in   the   U.S.  and   it  has   existing                                                               
infrastructure  that  is   underutilized  (very  important).  The                                                               
state's  current fiscal  regime has  tremendous economic  benefit                                                               
for companies and as evidenced by all the new players.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He reported  that Kenai Loop  1, the onshore well  Buccaneer just                                                               
drilled,  has a  firm gas  off-take agreement  with Enstar  which                                                               
they hope  to be able  to provide by  December 2011. He  said two                                                               
other onshore  projects, West  Eagle and  West Nikolai  Creek are                                                               
both  gas-weighted opportunities.  Buccaneer also  has two  major                                                               
positions  offshore,  one is  Southern  Cross  and the  other  is                                                               
Northwest Cook Inlet;  both are units and both are  proven in the                                                               
sense  of well  control and  existing seismic.  So they  are very                                                               
comfortable in their opportunity there.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WATT said the jack-up rig  is unlocking the potential in Cook                                                               
Inlet but  it's a strategic asset  for use in the  Chukchi Sea as                                                               
well  and they  expect  it  to be  modified  and  ready to  begin                                                               
operating  in  Cook  Inlet  in  November.  Buccaneer  is  already                                                               
operating in the Gulf of Mexico and along the Texas Gulf Coast.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:10:20 AM                                                                                                                   
He  explained  that  a  map  (slide 5)  of  Cook  Inlet's  fields                                                               
indicates a  natural progression  in terms  of the  majors moving                                                               
out and the independents moving  in. Buccaneer's developments and                                                               
other conventional exploration in Cook Inlet were highlighted.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WATT stated  that  the mix  is  right now  -  the local  gas                                                               
shortage,  the  underexplored  basin  as evidenced  by  the  USGS                                                               
study,  the cash  incentive,  ACES and  the  premium natural  gas                                                               
prices - to attract all the new players that are coming in.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He  said  Cook  Inlet  has  a  long  and  successful  history  of                                                               
exploration and  production. Most  of the activity  happened back                                                               
in the  60s, but when Prudhoe  was discovered in the  70s all the                                                               
activity  went to  the North  Slope.  Then the  80s happened  and                                                               
along  with it  a downturn  in  the industry  that didn't  really                                                               
improve in  the 90s. During  that time,  Cook Inlet had  very low                                                               
activity and frankly the probability  of drilling and finding gas                                                               
was higher  there than  finding oil,  so a  lot of  people simply                                                               
didn't drill.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He said  USGS estimates recently  went from 2  tcf to 19  tcf and                                                               
Buccaneer  feels that  now the  basin is  underexplored and  very                                                               
attractive. The  last time a  jack-up rig  was there was  in 1994                                                               
and next year it will have two jack-up rigs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:13:44 AM                                                                                                                   
He stated  that all the giant  fields were discovered in  the 60s                                                               
and that only a  couple of fields in the Inlet  are in the "sweet                                                               
spot,"  but  based  on  conventional   drilling  that  more  will                                                               
probably  be found  in the  structural ridges.  The stratigraphic                                                               
play is coming  on through 3D seismic that has  been exploited in                                                               
other basins  but is just  really coming  to fruition now  in the                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He  said Buccaneer  leased,  permitted  and successfully  drilled                                                               
their  first hole,  Kenai Loop  1,  in nine  months and  pipeline                                                               
construction began in October  with production hopefully starting                                                               
in  December. The  Enstar contract  will start  with an  off-take                                                               
rate of 5 mmcf/day and be ramped  up to 15 mmcf/day as more wells                                                               
are  drilled. He  related  that the  terms  under ACES  favorably                                                               
impacted Buccaneer with  $9.2 million credits from  a total spend                                                               
of $22.9 million.  Kenai Loop 1 is a little  north of the Cannery                                                               
Loop  Unit  operated  by Marathon  whose  figures  indicate  that                                                               
Buccaneer's reserve  potential could conservatively be  around 30                                                               
bcf; butd once they get more  definition from their 3D seismic it                                                               
could be more.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Their  offshore Southern  Cross  Unit  already has  "oil-weighted                                                               
"wells  that were  drilled in  the 60s;  the North  Middle Ground                                                               
Shoal Field already has 3D  seismic and the Netherland Sewell has                                                               
reserves  of  around  12.7  million  barrels  of  oil  equivalent                                                               
(mmboe), an  opportunity they  plan to pursue  in terms  of their                                                               
first well next year. Given success,  whether gas or oil, it will                                                               
likely  tie  it  into  the  Baker Platform  in  the  south.  Both                                                               
Southern  Cross Unit  and Northwest  Cook Inlet  offshore have  a                                                               
two-well commitment  and those  will get  drilled next  year with                                                               
production coming on line in two or three years.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:18:43 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. WATT said  that West Nicolai field is a  defined gas prospect                                                               
of about 5,000 acres. It is  something they can tie back into the                                                               
Nicolai  Creek field  operated by  Aurora less  than three  miles                                                               
away. Apache  is shooting the  3D seismic now and  Buccaneer will                                                               
move forward with that in 2012 or 2013.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:19:31 AM                                                                                                                   
Buccaneer's  last  and largest  asset  is  West Eagle,  at  about                                                               
50,000 acres. It has good  existing 2D coverage vintage data that                                                               
will  get  reprocessed and  hi-graded.  They  will probably  move                                                               
forward with a  unit application to the state by  April 2012 with                                                               
the idea of  a well commitment by  September 2012. Infrastructure                                                               
operated by Armstrong  is about six miles away in  the North Fork                                                               
Unit.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:20:28 AM                                                                                                                   
Development schedule                                                                                                          
-Kenai Loop - production  by the end of 2011 and  drilling 2 to 4                                                               
more wells depending on interpretation of the 3D seismic                                                                        
-Southern  Cross Offshore  Unit  - the  Endeavor  rig drilling  2                                                               
wells by next year and production by 2014                                                                                       
-Northwest Cook Inlet - production by 2014                                                                                      
-West Nicolai - production by 2013  and West Eagle by 2012 - both                                                               
gas prone                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:22:32 AM                                                                                                                   
The  Jack-up  rig  acquisition  is a  joint  venture  with  Ezion                                                               
Holdings  (Singapore  listed); the  rig  was  named Endeavor  the                                                               
Spirit  of  Independence.  Archer Drilling,  an  experienced  and                                                               
proven contractor, will be responsible  for operating the rig and                                                               
keeping it busy in Cook Inlet  and the Chukchi Sea. He elaborated                                                               
that  Archer operates  over  100 rigs  globally,  has over  7,000                                                               
employees  and extensive  experience in  harsh environments,  has                                                               
in-house engineering  capabilities, is familiar with  the rig and                                                               
has an excellent safety record.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WATT, in  closing, said increased drilling in  the Cook Inlet                                                               
will increase gas  reserves and production within  the next three                                                               
years. It  will also fuel  enthusiasm for more drilling.  But the                                                               
LNG  plant closing  sent  a cold  chill  through their  corporate                                                               
offices as did  talk about the bullet line.  Buccaneer is seeking                                                               
to increase the  role of LNG in various  applications to increase                                                               
the market and  that will be addressed in  the next presentation.                                                               
He reviewed  their founding principles and  thanked the committee                                                               
members for their attention.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Recess from 10:27 to 10:34 a.m.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:34:00 AM                                                                                                                   
KEITH MEYER, LNG Alaska, said he  had been in the energy industry                                                               
for about 31 years  and about 15 of them were  involved in LNG in                                                               
one way or another. He was  chairman of Flex LNG, which developed                                                               
floating  liquefaction facilities  and president  of Chenier  LNG                                                               
that  developed North  America's largest  import terminal  on the                                                               
Gulf Coast; and  he was vice president at CMS  Energy that bought                                                               
the  Panhandle  systems,  which   included  the  Trunk  Line  LNG                                                               
facility at Lake Charles  and international energy infrastructure                                                               
businesses.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He said  LNG Alaska is an  alliance between LNG central  (him and                                                               
his   team)  and   Buccaneer.  Buccaneer   is  very   focused  on                                                               
developments  within  Alaska   and  recognizing  the  potentially                                                               
limiting small market  (if they produce what they  think they are                                                               
going to produce) and that  the existing export facility might be                                                               
closed, they contacted him to see  what could be done to grow the                                                               
LNG market in Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEYER said  after  months of  assessment  he concluded  that                                                               
something can  be done with  LNG both within the  in-state market                                                               
as well as in  the export market, and as a  result LNG Alaska set                                                               
an objective to  increase the market reach of  Alaska natural gas                                                               
and to improve LNG production and delivery infrastructure.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
In that  regard, one  of the  things he  recognized is  that Cook                                                               
Inlet  gas has  a negative  perception and  has become  the scape                                                               
goat  for justifying  many alternative  projects. It  is used  in                                                               
resolutions  supporting the  pipelines  from the  north and  it's                                                               
used  in  studies supporting  hydro  projects  and in  statements                                                               
regarding imports of  LNG. He said it takes  producers to develop                                                               
the gas  and those producers need  to see that there  is a market                                                               
opportunity  once they  develop  it. That  increased demand  will                                                               
translate into increased supply.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:38:33 AM                                                                                                                   
Virtually  every producer  in the  Cook Inlet  he has  talked to,                                                               
Buccaneer  included, is  willing  to be  supportive  of a  market                                                               
growth  initiative  and  he  views  LNG  Alaska  as  an  enabling                                                               
solution  that looks  at: putting  in  new modular  liquefaction,                                                               
using  infrastructure investments  to expand  LNG use  within the                                                               
state -  trucks, rail  and barge  deliveries, remote  storage and                                                               
revaporization at  select locations and fuel  terminals for truck                                                               
and marine use  - and continuing to expand the  potential for LNG                                                               
export/import  options.  The  reason  for  imports  would  be  to                                                               
convince  the  demand   side  of  this  equation   that  the  LNG                                                               
infrastructure they  are investing  in would  be used  and useful                                                               
under  any  scenario.  He  emphasized   that  LNG  Alaska  is  an                                                               
infrastructure  play  capable  of   liquefying  natural  gas  and                                                               
transporting it to  the in-state markets as well  as exporting it                                                               
to international markets.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:40:23 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  MEYER said  the LNG  industry  has changed  since the  Kenai                                                               
facility was  built. It is not  mature but it has  "grown up" and                                                               
has  a  vibrant future.  Twenty-two  nations  now import  LNG  as                                                               
opposed to  one when  Kenai was  built and  double the  number 10                                                               
years ago. Thirty import re-gas  facilities are being planned and                                                               
LNG is now  being used across the world by  many nations that are                                                               
now importers of LNG.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:41:29 AM                                                                                                                   
He explained  that Kenai is  now considered a  mid-scale facility                                                               
at  1.6 million  tons per  year. The  industry has  matured to  a                                                               
point where  these mid-scale facilities  can be  scaled modularly                                                               
and  expanded as  the market  dictates. For  example, a  floating                                                               
facility the size of Kenai can be built in a Korean shipyard.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEYER said  another big change is coming and  that is LNG for                                                               
use as a  transportation fuel in the U.S. where  it would be used                                                               
in heavy trucking  (the Port of Long Beach has  over 1,000 trucks                                                               
dedicated to  burning LNG). Norway  is probably the  best example                                                               
of a country  that sort of looks like Alaska;  it has natural gas                                                               
and  makes a  very  concerted  effort to  introduce  it into  the                                                               
transportation sector  becoming much more oil  free. Cruise ships                                                               
and freighters  are installing LNG fuel  capability, too, because                                                               
it's cleaner and cheaper.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:43:44 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  MEYER  said  the  LNG  Alaska  program  is  built  on  three                                                               
strategic  pillars:  the  Fairbanks  initiative,  a  coastal  and                                                               
transportation  initiative  that  looks  at  moving  LNG  to  the                                                               
coastal cities  for use as fuel  to displace the diesel  power in                                                               
the transportation sector and the export/import initiative.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:44:36 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  what  a  revaporization plant  would                                                               
cost if it were to go into rural Alaska - say to Bethel.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEYER  replied the  revaporization  piece  of this  plan  is                                                               
actually the  cheapest piece. The  LNG would be offloaded  into a                                                               
small  storage  facility  and  then it  just  get  rewarmed  into                                                               
natural gas. The overall delivery  infrastructure from Cook Inlet                                                               
gas to  LNG to transport to  Bethel must be cheaper  than getting                                                               
oil there  including getting the communities  to switch. However,                                                               
doing  just  Bethel would  be  tough,  he admitted,  and  several                                                               
groups would have to come together  and work on a united plan. If                                                               
the AMHS, Fairbanks and exports  got together, for instance, that                                                               
would be competitive.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:47:06 AM                                                                                                                   
The core reliable infrastructure was  conceived to be fueled with                                                               
Cook Inlet  production and  to also  be used  as storage  for not                                                               
only the pipeline supply but  LNG imports. He emphasized again if                                                               
there is  no Cook Inlet  production and  LNG is imported  and put                                                               
into the  storage tanks the  same infrastructure  logistics could                                                               
be used  to deliver gas to  Fairbanks, so the people  there could                                                               
be  comfortable  knowing their  investment  is  useful under  any                                                               
scenario.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if he  is talking  to ConocoPhillips                                                               
about using  their plant  or will  LNG Alaska  build its  own LNG                                                               
facility.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEYER replied that the most  ideal spot for a facility is the                                                               
one  owned  by  ConocoPhillips  and  they  just  had  a  positive                                                               
informal  discussion with  them about  it. But  if ConocoPhillips                                                               
eventually  doesn't  want to  negotiate  he  is also  looking  at                                                               
alternative sites.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:49:48 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. MEYER stressed  that Fairbanks and the Railbelt  region is an                                                               
important market for the LNG  Alaska plan. The Railbelt region is                                                               
considering multiple  alternatives, one  of which is  a mid-scale                                                               
liquefaction  facility in  the north  and trucking  LNG down  the                                                               
Haul Road. But  he thinks a mid-scale LNG Alaska  facility in the                                                               
south could be  built and operated at a lower  cost; the delivery                                                               
cost would  be less and  more reliable,  as well, because  of two                                                               
alternatives: roads  and rail. The  only thing that  could change                                                               
this scenario is "if they are giving away gas in the North."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said  that supporting legislation  such as SB  42 establishing                                                               
the Railbelt Energy Fund is very  helpful; it has been enacted to                                                               
help with studies and grants for power projects.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if he  had done a competitive analysis                                                               
of his  project compared to an  in-state line from Cook  Inlet to                                                               
Fairbanks.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEYER answered  yes; he has seen the studies,  but he has not                                                               
done  an  in-depth  analysis  of   the  cost  variables  of  that                                                               
pipeline, but  his plan  is competitive unless  the gas  is being                                                               
given away in  the North. If the pipeline is  built and the state                                                               
allows ratepayers  to pay for  it -  and that capital  is already                                                               
invested on a  variable cost basis - an  installed pipeline wins.                                                               
Further, if the  demand is big enough, again,  the pipeline wins.                                                               
For instance, right  now in China LNG is being  trucked to remote                                                               
areas until critical mass is reached  and then a pipeline will be                                                               
put in.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEYER said  he  believes  that long-term  there  would be  a                                                               
pipeline  solution here,  but  it  won't happen  in  the next  10                                                               
years; the earliest  forecast is 2022 and his  facility will work                                                               
for that  decade-plus. It  is synergistic in  that it  builds the                                                               
gas demand so  a pipeline is easier to justify.  Further, some of                                                               
this    infrastructure,     particularly    the    transportation                                                               
infrastructure,  is  used  and useful  regardless  of  the  pipe,                                                               
because  of  the  LNG.  What   LNG  then  becomes  is  a  peaking                                                               
infrastructure and dynamic storage. He  explained that it's a lot                                                               
of volume in a small space  and even with the pipeline there will                                                               
still  be demand  peaks that  it can  satisfy. Eventually  when a                                                               
pipeline  is  built there  will  be  other  avenues for  the  LNG                                                               
including  export to  international  markets  (especially if  gas                                                               
starts  coming from  the North)  and he  said he  was comfortable                                                               
that LNG investment is sound  under any scenario including a long                                                               
distance pipeline.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:55:39 AM                                                                                                                   
As fuel for power generation Mr.  Meyer said that 7 to 10 coastal                                                               
cities have large  enough demand to justify the  effort of moving                                                               
LNG by  barge and he  was recently told  that the City  of Bethel                                                               
has already sought  funds for studying the use of  LNG for power.                                                               
The  Alaska  Marine  Highway  System   (AMHS)  could  also  be  a                                                               
significant user of LNG as fuel for transportation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:56:59 AM                                                                                                                   
Back to coastal power generation,  he said Norway is probably the                                                               
best case study of what Alaska  could do because it has a similar                                                               
climate and coastline.  It has LNG production but  uses small LNG                                                               
tankers  (1,000 cubic  meters)  as opposed  to  the large  88,000                                                               
cubic  meter ships  going  to  Kenai (the  average  new build  is                                                               
around 160,000 cubic meters). Trucks  could be loaded from a very                                                               
small LNG  ship and the  fuel could be  taken to wherever  it was                                                               
needed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:57:57 AM                                                                                                                   
LNG is  a growing transportation  fuel for on-road,  off-road and                                                               
marine vehicles.  On-road users are typically  large trucks; off-                                                               
road  markets have  good  demand  and are  typically  for use  in                                                               
mining vehicles. He explained that one  of the benefits of a mine                                                               
operation is  that it stays  in a small geographic  footprint and                                                               
so refueling  structures are not needed.  Marine applications are                                                               
similar and include tugboats, workboats and ferries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEYER  said workboats  are being converted  to dual  fuel and                                                               
ferries in Washington,  New York, Argentina, Norway  and a number                                                               
of other  countries are converting to  LNG. The AMHS would  be an                                                               
ideal  demand because  its large  load and  scheduled route  make                                                               
fueling logistics much easier.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:59:38 AM                                                                                                                   
Focusing on the AMHS, Mr. Meyer  said the fleet is relatively old                                                               
and the state  has commissioned a study to  design fuel efficient                                                               
vessels to replace  it. Dual fueled diesel/LNG  engines have been                                                               
in  operation  for  many  years  and meet  the  Tier  3  emission                                                               
requirements. Therefore,  this is  a perfect opportunity  for the                                                               
state to  really look at  using the dual fuel  diesel/LNG vehicle                                                               
as the new class of Alaska class ferries.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked what it  would cost to upgrade some of                                                               
the ferries and how soon the cost would be recouped.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEYER replied  that he understands the  larger Alaska ferries                                                               
are  being replaced  as opposed  to being  retrofitted and  it is                                                               
easier to have  a dual-fueled "new build" than to  convert an old                                                               
one. He  didn't know how  much it would  cost to convert  a large                                                               
freighter, but  it would be over  $1 million for a  tugboat class                                                               
vessel and about  $40,000 for a truck. He threw  out a wild guess                                                               
of $3  million to $5 million  for the ferry system  and said it's                                                               
important to  do it on  new builds  because they can  be designed                                                               
correctly.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:03:22 AM                                                                                                                   
He  said that  LNG Alaska  will help  create jobs  in the  energy                                                               
sector including  Cook Inlet production activities,  LNG delivery                                                               
operations,  LNG vehicle  conversions and  maintenance facilities                                                               
and  expanded natural  gas distribution  facilities.  He said  it                                                               
will also  be beneficial in  terms of reduced imports  of refined                                                               
products   and  a   continued   or   increased  opportunity   for                                                               
international exports.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:04:04 AM                                                                                                                   
Unit  costs  would  come  down   with  more  uses  and  estimates                                                               
indicated that  the transportation  fuel for  the AMHS  and power                                                               
generation would  cause a significant  reduction to  $12.50 mmbtu                                                               
and with exports  it would come down to $10  mmbtu, which equates                                                               
to about $.80/gal.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEYER  summarized  that  LNG   Alaska  has  significant  gas                                                               
production potential in the Cook  Inlet and that creating natural                                                               
gas  demand and  market access  will encourage  those activities.                                                               
Alaska's domestic gas  reserves can be used  to displace imported                                                               
refined products, reduce pollution and  reduce the cost of energy                                                               
to   consumers.  Alaska   has  the   necessary  legislation   and                                                               
incentives in  place to  help accelerate  the LNG  Alaska program                                                               
and LNG  Alaska is ready  to work with  the state to  implement a                                                               
clean and reliable natural gas expansion program.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:06:12 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  GIESSEL asked  if  he  is referring  to  the market  for                                                               
electric  generation or  if he  is  including converting  private                                                               
homes to natural gas when he talks about Fairbanks usage.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEYER  replied that  he is initially  referring to  the large                                                               
chunks  of  electrical  generation  with GVEA  and  Flint  Hills,                                                               
although he had not had discussions with them yet.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER went  back to  Senator Wielechowski's  question                                                               
about  the potential  for building  a pipeline  from Southcentral                                                               
Alaska to service the Fairbanks  market versus his project, not a                                                               
bullet line.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEYER responded that growth  of the Fairbanks market could be                                                               
the supporting load  for a pipeline south, but it  would face the                                                               
same challenges  LNG Alaska  faces, which is  what if  Cook Inlet                                                               
production isn't  there. He  looks at this  LNG program  as being                                                               
the front end  of a broader infrastructure  solution, which would                                                               
involve a pipeline to eventually serve that critical mass.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:10:15 AM                                                                                                                   
At ease from 11:10 to 11:19 a.m.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:19:44 AM                                                                                                                   
DAVID  HALL,  CEO, Cook  Inlet  Energy,  LLC,  said they  are  an                                                               
Alaskan  company  that was  formed  in  2009 when  things  looked                                                               
"pretty grim" in Cook Inlet, but  now they see an opportunity. He                                                               
said they have spent $13 million  in Cook Inlet so far and employ                                                               
25  Alaskan   residents  and  use  many   contractors  for  their                                                               
operations. They own  property in the West  MacArthur River Unit,                                                               
the Osprey  Platform, a production  facility and nearly  42 miles                                                               
of pipeline as  well as 20 mg of combined  power generation - all                                                               
located on  the west side  of the Cook Inlet.  Current production                                                               
is around 1,200 boe/day and continues to rise.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He  explained that  $13  million  was spent  in  2010 on  capital                                                               
projects and $10 million has been  spent so far in 2011 mainly on                                                               
well workovers. In  addition, they have spent $20  million on two                                                               
rigs for Cook Inlet  - not to be confused with  the jack-up rig -                                                               
Rig 34  and Rig  35. Rig  35 is going  to be  used on  the Osprey                                                               
Platform, but it  is designed to be used onshore  as well. It has                                                               
the capability  of drilling to  20,000 ft. and  is on its  way to                                                               
Nikiski now.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:23:28 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. HALL said  Cook Inlet Energy has designed  and engineered six                                                               
work-overs  for  the  Osprey with  an  estimated  combined  gross                                                               
capital cost  of over $30  million. In  addition to that,  13 new                                                               
grassroots well candidates have  been identified for an estimated                                                               
cost of  $15 million each. Rig  34 is designed for  shallow wells                                                               
of  7,000 ft.  or less  and a  great number  of shallow  gas well                                                               
prospects  have  been identified  along  the  west side  of  Cook                                                               
Inlet.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:25:08 AM                                                                                                                   
He  said Cook  Inlet Energy  is an  oil and  gas producer  and is                                                               
moving aggressively  to grow production  of both. Their  focus is                                                               
Southcentral and the  Susitna Basin where they have  been doing a                                                               
lot of field work.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HALL said  they are a small company and  are grateful for the                                                               
tax credits  adding "I  mean that from  the heart."  Without them                                                               
the economics would  be difficult in many ways. Cook  Inlet is an                                                               
expensive  place to  do business  and  they have  fixed costs  no                                                               
matter how much they produce.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:26:19 AM                                                                                                                   
He related that  AS 38.05.180 is the royalty  relief statute that                                                               
was  enacted 10  years ago  to  keep existing  oil production  on                                                               
line. It is  an excellent measure, but it needs  to be updated to                                                               
fit existing realities  in Cook Inlet. HB 32 does  just that. For                                                               
instance,  the 180(f)(6)  royalty relief  applied only  to fields                                                               
that existed  10 years ago  when it  was enacted and  to maintain                                                               
existing gas production  in Cook Inlet marginal  gas wells should                                                               
be  granted   the  same  treatment.  The   10-year  royalty  term                                                               
established in  .180(f)(5) is of  particular concern  because the                                                               
Osprey Platform, for instance, has  had a 5 percent royalty since                                                               
it  began production  in December  2002,  but it  had some  major                                                               
problems in being  economical even at that  rate. Current statute                                                               
calls for royalty  to increase to 12.5 percent  in December 2012,                                                               
which will  really challenge their efforts,  especially when they                                                               
are talking  about tens of  millions of dollars to  fully develop                                                               
the field.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HALL said  changes like  this could  potentially extend  the                                                               
life of a field or even a  shut-in platform, some of which are in                                                               
Cook Inlet  and are  currently queued up  for abandonment.  HB 32                                                               
would remove  the 10-year  clause and  keep volumetric  limits in                                                               
place at  25 million  barrels of oil  and 35 tcf  of gas  so that                                                               
large fields  would end up  paying the 12.5 percent  royalty, but                                                               
marginal fields would not.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:29:27 AM                                                                                                                   
Next Mr.  Hall said Cook  Inlet Energy recently went  through the                                                               
permitting process  for gas  exploration in  the Beluga  area and                                                               
anything  that can  streamline the  permitting process  that goes                                                               
through the  Alaska Department of  Fish and Game  (ADF&G) because                                                               
of the game  refuges and critical game habitat areas  on the west                                                               
side as  well as  the Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR). He                                                               
suggested allowing  summer activities or approval  of small roads                                                               
and pads with certain mediation standards.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:31:33 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. HALL  said they understand  the gas and energy  issues before                                                               
the legislature  and part of  the problem in Southcentral  is the                                                               
small market  where consumers risk  shortages if supply  does not                                                               
keep up and the producers risk  not having a market or having the                                                               
price crash. Cook Inlet Energy's  big challenge is if they deploy                                                               
huge capital  dollars to  bring gas to  market today,  they still                                                               
couldn't  they   get  a  contract.   So,  they   are  positioning                                                               
themselves by  participating in the  spot market and  looking for                                                               
contracts going forward.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He asked  them to remember  that a  bullet line would  be helpful                                                               
for gas markets if  it results in more gas moving  in and out and                                                               
local producers  can sell into  it. It has  to be an  open access                                                               
configuration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:34:15 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR STEDMAN  said he  has been going  over Cook  Inlet issues                                                               
with Senator  Wagoner for  six years and  it appears  that things                                                               
are  moving  forward, but  at  some  point the  legislature  will                                                               
review  the incentives  and stimulus  to  see if  they are  still                                                               
applicable. Clearly,  it's not  beneficial to  the state  to take                                                               
big  upfront  positions that  have  nothing  on the  other  side.                                                               
Legislators want a balance.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HALL  thanked him  for the comment  and said  they understand                                                               
that  as well.  For now  the incentives  are certainly  needed in                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER  clarified that Cook  Inlet Energy as  a company                                                               
has  not had  the same  opportunity that  most operators  in Cook                                                               
Inlet have had for royalty reduction,  but it wasn't put in place                                                               
to save  companies money as  much as it  was to save  the current                                                               
infrastructure there,  because if that  ever went away  the state                                                               
wouldn't have the  opportunity to do what it is  today in a whole                                                               
lot of cases. That is part of the balance.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN wanted to clarify that there is no movement to                                                                  
change what is in place today and he was talking about review                                                                   
sometime down the line.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:37:49 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR WAGONER, finding no further questions, thanked everyone                                                                
who participated and adjourned the meeting at 11:37 p.m.                                                                        

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